While Louisiana College Burns: Secular and Baptist Press Forbidden on Campus

imagesAn emergency Board of Trustee meeting is currently taking place at Louisiana College. The meeting began at 1:00 p.m. and, I am being told, it is likely to last until late into the night.

While standing outside of the student center with Drew Wales, I noticed a local news station vehicle drive around the traffic circle on campus. This was not the first time I had seen the vehicle drive by and so I waved at the driver and started to walk toward the vehicle as it was being parked.

While approaching the vehicle I noticed the head of Louisiana College public relations running from the student center where I had just left. He came upon me, Drew, and the local reporter and said, “What are you doing? No media is allowed on campus today.” I said, “I noticed this news vehicle making loops today and wanted to find out if they were doing a story on the trustee meeting.” The L.C. employee said, “You can’t do an interview.” To which the local reporter, gathering gear out of his truck replied, “I’m just here covering basketball selections.” We parted ways and I walked back toward the student center, remaining outside per the requests of campus police chief Dwayne Rogers.

Later, I walked by Louisiana Baptist Message editor Kelly Boggs standing upstairs in the student center, also banished from the lower lobby of the building. As I passed by, I said to Boggs, “Kelly, there is no press allowed on campus.” To which he gave a reply of “Well, I wear many hats.” Only minutes later, I watched Boggs leave campus and I asked him, “Did they run you off too?” To which he smiled and replied, “Well, I wouldn’t call it run off. I wouldn’t use those words.”

In my opinion, it seems as if Dr. Joe Aguillard and the Louisiana College administration do not want a story at 6 & 10 on the local television which reports student responses to the debacle currently taking place at the college. It is, in my opinion, even more egregious that the Louisiana Baptist Message, the very state paper of the convention that owns Louisiana College, is not allowed anywhere on campus.

Today, Louisiana College is a “no press zone” because of the Louisiana College administration. They have blocked this very site, and others, and now are blocking both secular and Baptist press from reporting today’s events, at least from behind the iron curtain of Louisiana College.

May God have mercy on Louisiana College. Pray for the Board of Trustees who are meeting now.

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  • Guest

    So
    is this part of LC’s venture to get closer to China? i thought the
    influence was supposed to be flowing in the other direction.

  • Scott Culpepper

    So
    is this part of LC’s venture to get closer to China? I thought the
    influence was supposed to be flowing in the other direction.

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      Scott,

      In my opinion, this is part of a plan to control dissent. Control. Control. Control.

      • http://www.facebook.com/julie.corum.3 Julie Corum

        Hang in there, Joshua!

  • http://hereiblog.com/ Mark

    Is this a Christian college?

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      Mark,

      Indeed.

      • http://hereiblog.com/ Mark

        It was, of course, a rhetorical question.

        • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

          Mark,

          Of course. I just could not help but answer it. ;)

    • http://twitter.com/Pilgrim_99 Chris Poe

      I’ve had a couple of people ask if it is an IFB college.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=650802417 Bob Cleveland

    It’s well and good to wish God’s mercy on the college, but it’s quite possible that conditions there are similar to Judah’s condition when Isaiah was given his commission. Conditions that caused God to have Isaiah prophesy “Be ever hearing but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving. Make the heart of this people calloused, make their ears dull and close their eyes.”

    Perhaps Ichabod has come to visit.

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      Bob,

      You may speak better than you even know. I will still pray for God’s mercy to fall upon Louisiana College.

  • http://twitter.com/PulpitAndPen JD Hall

    Wow. Many prayers AGAIN. I pray that what has been done in darkness will come into the light.

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      JD,

      The unbelievable never ceases here at L.C. Looking forward to the Board of Trustees addressing the future of the college.

  • Chris

    It is absolute sin in the camp to air our differences in public. These matters should never be on the front page of newspapers, on television, on blogs, and on facebook, of all places. It tarnishes the Lord and His Kingdom. Once again, I’m embarrassed to be a Louisiana Baptist. For the sake of the Gospel, please STOP doing all of this publicly. Just STOP. You are harming the cause of our Lord in our beloved state. This is why institutions have trustees. Please allow the system to work as it’s designed. Voice your opinions in an appropriate manner in the appropriate forum. You are playing right into the hand of the evil one. He gets the victory in this debacle.

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      Chris,

      I respectfully disagree. I am merely reporting on the issues going on at L.C. so that Louisiana Baptists, who support L.C., can be aware of the goings on at their Baptist state college.

      • Chris

        And that is exactly my point Joshua. You (and all the others) should NOT be reporting these issues publicly. I know that you’re sincere and think that what you’re doing is righteous, but it is not.The Bible teaches believers to resolve their differences with each other between themselves, not in open, public forums where the testimony of Christians and churches is harmed. You should really consider what you’re doing. Your comments here go much further than LC and Louisiana Baptists. For example, your father-in-laws facebook post is now smeared across the pages of the Town Talk. What do you think non-believers take away from this? Do you think this makes our faith attractive? It absolutely does not.

        • http://twitter.com/PulpitAndPen JD Hall

          Chris, you need an OUNCE of moral clarity.

          • Chris

            JD,

            I couldn’t be more clear or right

        • Pope Innocent III

          Yeah Chris! Just like that time Paul didn’t call out cephas… Oh wait.

          • Chris

            The point is he didn’t do it in a public forum where his public testimony was harmed.

        • http://twitter.com/Pilgrim_99 Chris Poe

          Pastor Thomas’ letter and similar statements might give non-believers the idea that at least *some* Baptists possess a modicum of judgment even though it is much too late, IMO.

          • Chris

            Chris, Thank you for letting me know my rationale. I appreciate your insight. Child molestation and wife-beating??? Really?? I have never suggested nor would I suggest any kind of cover up. What I’m suggesting is EXACTLY what Scripture suggests–that Christians who have disagreements should handle the matter “before the Lord’s people” and not before the lost and dying world that desperately needs to see a testimony and witness of unity in the Body of Christ. I’m not on either side because I don’t know enough about the specifics and history of these issues. What I do know is that public display of this debacle is far worse than the issues because it has brought harm to the entire Body of Christ. If there is spiritual abuse, manipulation, and anti-intellectualism, those issues should be reported to those ultimately responsible and dealt with among the Lord’s people. If there is child molestation and wife-beating, those issues should be reported to the police.

          • Pope Innocent III

            Chris, I’ve rebuked Jesus for not going to the pharisees privately. Amendments to the Space-time continuum and what actually happened are in the queue. Don’t worry, Moses, Noah, Stephen, Paul, Peter, and others are on deck for rebuking according to your method :)

          • Chris

            All you mentioned kept their rebukes within the community of faith Pope.

    • http://www.facebook.com/julie.corum.3 Julie Corum

      Wrongdoing needs to be exposed. These young men did nothing wrong, but yet they are being crucified for asking a simple question that they are entitled to ask.

      • Chris

        Wrongdoing should be exposed in the right way, according to the Bible.

        • http://www.facebook.com/julie.corum.3 Julie Corum

          1 Timothy 5:19-20.

          • Chris

            That’s right Julie–“tell it to the CHURCH,” not to the world.

    • http://twitter.com/Pilgrim_99 Chris Poe

      This is a suitable response for a Roman Catholic, not a Baptist.

      • Julie Prevot

        Chris I am a Roman Catholic and find this extremely insulting. I would not compare your religion to a cult so please be respectful of the beliefs of others.

        • http://twitter.com/Pilgrim_99 Chris Poe

          Julie, I apologize for any offense. Note that I said RC OR a cult, although some might still find that offensive.

          I was referring to submission to a hierarchy (in an ultimate sense) as opposed to the more democratic procedure of Baptists and other denominations and churches. Popes, Cardinals, Bishops and priests can’t be voted out no matter what the cause and can only be removed from the top down.

      • Chris

        NIce, Chris. I’m a Baptist of Baptists or I wouldn’t care. One wrong does not justify another. What this administration has done may or may not have harmed the cause of our Lord in our beloved state. That is not my point. My point is not that these issues should not be discussed, but that they should not be discussed here or in any public forum. It tarnishes our testimony. These disagreements should be handled biblically and in a Christ-like manner.

        • http://twitter.com/Pilgrim_99 Chris Poe

          Was this controversy over Calvinism presented by Dr. Aguillard in a private forum? (That’s not the whole issue by a long shot but that’s the reason for the present controversy in the blogosphere.)

          This is not a private offense but a public one, as are many of the issues related to LC. A good many of the acts are public. The things that Dr. Culpepper wrote about in his open letter are generally public knowledge as well, although perhaps not common knowledge. The LBC is not a church either.

          By your standards, Luther was wrong to nail the 95 Theses to the door, Spurgeon was wrong to write about the Downgrade Controversy in his “Sword and Trowel,” Criswell and others were wrong to speak openly about liberalism in the SBC, just to name a few.

          Matt. 18 applies to personal offenses, not public offenses.

          • Chris

            Once again, you miss my point. It is wrong for any brother or sister in the Lord to do this publicly–administration or students. It is sinful for this controversy to wind up in the pages of the Town Talk or on KALB. Luther nailed the Theses to the door of the Wittenburg church! Spurgeon wrote to a Christian audience. Criswell spoke in the confines of the SBC. Further, Spurgeon, Luther, and Criswell, while great men, were not our Lord. The LBC is not a church but the principles of Matthew 18 absolutely apply here and to all of Christian life–as do the principles of 1 Cor. 6.

          • http://twitter.com/Pilgrim_99 Chris Poe

            Chris, perhaps you missed the fact that all of the above controversies ended up in public non-church media and by design. Is it your contention that nailing theses to the outside of a church door is a private forum? Moreover, this blog is aimed at a Christian audience and isn’t aimed at the general public 99% of whom could care less about what is usually posted here. At the risk of inflating Joshua’s ego here, the intended audience of this blog is no different than the that of the “Sword and Trowel.”

            The reader will judge the validity of your statements. God forbid that Louisiana Baptists as a whole share your understanding of Matt. 18 and 1 Cor 6.

          • Chris

            I know these controversies ended up in public media by design and that is exactly what grieves me. They should not have. It is my contention that the door of Wittenburg was certainly more private than the internet and television and newspapers. In addition, Luther was not my Lord and is not our ultimate example. Usually this blog is aimed at a decidedly Christian audience, but not over the last few weeks. I’m not interested in the reader’s judgment for the readers are not my judge Chris. Scripture says, “If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people?” I’m not sure how many ways that one verse can be understood Chris. When you take that verse with that passage and with all of the other testimony of Scripture, I’m not sure how you can see this as anything but sin in the camp, regardless of your side or the offender. Jesus was intensely concerned with our unity because it is our witness and testimony. The world is watching and we should protect our witness.

          • Pope Innocent III

            Don’t worry Chris, I’ve contacted Paul in purgatory and rebuked him for calling Peter out publicly in a publicly committed offense. Paul has promised to strike Galatians 2 from the record asap!

          • Chris

            Paul called out Peter within the body of Christ.

    • Julie Prevot

      Keeping quiet about the things happening at LC would be allowing evil to continue. We are not launching personal attacks.

      • Chris

        No one is suggesting these issues should be kept quiet Julie. These issues should be addressed within the family of God in the way established for them to be addressed. They should not be discussed publicly in the press and on the net. You are not launching personal attacks, but some most assuredly are. There is simply no excuse for the world to see disunity in the Body of Christ. Jesus said much about unity and we can all agree–this ain’t unity.

        • Julie Prevot

          Chris, I know it doesn’t seem appropriate to you to take this to the internet and facebook, but if he hadn’t, LC probably would have just glossed over it, kicked him out, and no one would have been the wiser. It has happened before. It was necessary for it to be taken to these forums so that the college wouldn’t be able to ignore its problems any longer.

          • Chris

            Julie, I assure you that would not have happened. There is a large body of trustees, many who are very well connected to the institution and know what is happening. These problems have been building for quite some time. There is no way they could be ignored. Even if what you suggest is true, we still cannot sacrifice our Christian testimony on the altar of “getting something done” or “winning.” It is just absolutely not Christ-like. The ends do not justify the means. A public airing of our dirty laundry isn’t about “seeming appropriate.” It’s about plain ‘ole simple right and wrong and the Bible clearly teaches us not to do it. Our unity is just that important to the Lord.

          • Julie Prevot

            I understand what you mean, Chris, but I still disagree. I understand that you are concerned for the unity of the church, and that is admirable. However, as you say, the trustees are well informed about the college, so they should have known about the trouble building, yet they did nothing until there was a public outcry. This leads me to believe that they did not want to take action. This is not about winning. It is about doing what is right, and being accountable. I know we will still disagree on this matter, and I appreciate your willingness to explain what you believe.

          • Chris

            Julie, you don’t know what the trustees have done or not done unless you were a part of them. Just because you didn’t know about it does not mean they were not taking action. The process is designed such that things move very, very slowly and issues are usually dealt with after they happen. Doing what is right includes doing what is right in the right way. The end does not justify sinful means. It never does. This could have been handled in a much more Christ-like manner rather than being aired here and in the press and media.

          • Eleanor

            Chris I am a former student of LC. I can assure you that this young man may very well have been kicked out of the school. I was asked ‘not to reapply for the coming semester’ and told that my transcript would be held, and that my scholarships would not be renewed. My crimes against the school? A fellow student told me that he had been abused by a faculty member, and I wanted to help. I sought conference with my professors, who quickly told me to leave it alone. On more than one occasion, professors told me that they had heard this before, and that they were sorry that nothing could be done. After seeking help from the administration, I found that they were unhelpful and downright rude. They dared to say that my relationship with Christ was not sound, and that before I could attend the school another semester I had to seek counsel with God for forgiveness, and then apologize to the school. I was also asked to sign a document saying that I would not speak negatively about the school. I obviously refused. I hate to tell you this, but this is happening everyday. If there is one thing that this school does consistently, it’s stir up fear and controversy.

          • Chris

            Elanor,
            Have you contacted the Board of Trustees concerning this issue? Each and every one of them should be notified.

          • Eleanor

            I attempted to contact the Dean of Students multiple times. I would leave a message with my name saying that is was an urgent matter, and that I needed to speak with him. Each time I called back to see if he had received my message the secretary mysteriously had ‘no record’ that I had called or left a previous message. Either a major clerical issue occurred multiple times, or there was a drastic effort to keep me at bay. The only member of the faculty that listened to my concerns and promised to seek information resigned within a month of our conversation. After all of this, I decided that what would be the most helpful would be for me to pray and fast, and to move on with my academic life. The student who had come to me in the beginning, left the school in duress and is now in the armed forces. They are unwilling to step forward out of fear. I have not gone to the media with this particular story because as so many others have said, this is not a smear campaign. I don’t want to talk badly about LC for the sake of hurting anyone…. but it has come to a point where we have to start talking about the real issues on hand at that school. If I had no regard for the private lives of students or teachers, I could name at least 30 people with similar stories of fear and concern. They are a quiet few who have decided to move on, and not look back. This is why I am so proud of these young men coming forward. They have respectably and prayerfully gone to the only people in this world who would dare listen to their concerns. Social media is a powerful tool, and I promise you that those who have been neglected by this school are all anxiously following along to every post. We are clinging to the hope that someone in a position of power in the town of Pineville or Alexandria, or on the board of trustees at LC will listen, because no one listened to our story.

          • Chris

            You didn’t tell your story to those who have ultimate responsibility. You should personally contact each and every member of the Board of Trustees. That is the appropriate oversight group. Social media is a powerful tool, but at what cost? Our witness to the lost world? Our Christian testimony? The appropriate thing to do is to follow the proper channels established on a biblical model

          • http://www.facebook.com/drew.wales Drew Wales

            Chris,
            Perhaps you missed the post where we discussed that we requested a meeting with Dr. Aguillard and he ignored our request for a private meeting. Instead, he did an interview with the Baptist Message and he granted an interview with the Town Talk. It should also be noted that Josh and I declined comment for both articles. Your argument is not with us and you should direct these concerns to the President of LC.

          • Chris

            Admin. should have met with you. Admin should not have granted an interview with the TT. My argument is with both. I’ve presented it to you and to LC and will continue to do so.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=650802417 Bob Cleveland

          The manner prescribed scripturally was instructions for the church. Which church should witnesses appear before to disclose what’s going on?

          • Chris

            The forum designed for this is the LC Board of Trustees and the Louisiana Baptist Convention.

    • http://twitter.com/PulpitAndPen JD Hall

      Chris, you want to address this the way prescribed in Scripture? Let’s do that. Aguillard should have met with Breland and the other concerned students – not talking about them in the press. Aguillard should let the press or students or someone attend the meeting to make sure what’s been done in the dark comes to light. It is NOT NOT NOT sin to address public sin publicly. The one in error is the one who has hidden, deceived, and sinned – NOT NOT NOT the one who points it out. Quit shooting the messenger.

      • Chris

        JD, I totally agree that admin. should meet with whoever wants a meeting to handle things biblically. I’m not shooting the messenger. I’m shooting all who have had a part in putting this on the television news, in the newspaper, and on the net. I disagree that the press should be involved. It is sinful for Christians to take their disagreements to worldly institutions. It ruins our public witness, which is exactly what has happened in this case. The Bible clearly instructs us to handle these issues “before the Lord’s pepole.” (1 Cor. 6) This is not “before the Lord’s people.” In this case before the Lord’s people would be the trustees, then the LBC, not NBC.

        • Seriously?

          funny I thought this was a public blog…seems like there’s some inconsistency in the way you apply the rules you argue for…shouldn’t you just not post and try to contact each of these individuals?

          • Pope Innocent III

            Boom, roasted.

          • Chris

            Excellent point Seriously and one I considered very carefully before posting, which I almost never do. I’ve tried to be careful not to address the actual issues here, just the method of addressing those issues.

          • Seriously?

            you began by saying how wrong all of this was….

    • http://www.facebook.com/jet.carriker Jet Carriker

      Chris, you aired your differences of what Josh is doing on a public blog, so where does that put you in the wake of those who tarnish? In Josh’s defense – Proverbs 16:9 “A man’s heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps”. My name is Jet Carriker, I graduated from LC in 2003, what is your full name and when did you graduate from LC? Our Lord directed our Four Fathers to instituted free speech, which in one of many of our UNALIENABLE RIGHTS! If one man is to even try to silence another from a GOD GIVEN RIGHT, shame be on that man, not only as an American but as a man of our Lord.

      • Chris

        Dear Jet, just because something is legal and a “right” does not mean it’s biblical or Christ-like. Scripture is a higher authority even than our beloved Constitution. My identity and/or whether and/or when I graduated from LC has nothing to do with my arguments. If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people?

        • http://www.facebook.com/jet.carriker Jet Carriker

          Chris, you totally missed it kid. IF you have no affiliation with LC, then why are you even here trying to sound holier than the next guy, for a cause that you have no roots in? This is about LC. This is a LC Family issue, not for outside, “public”, opinion. So when did you graduate from LC? Why hide behind a screen name? Are you even an America (with your lack of historical knowledge of this Great Nation)? To me that shows you are here under false pretences or are doing someone else’s dirty work. What world do you live in to think that on Earth, man isn’t responsible for the judgement of his fellow man, through a series of laws? Notice that on Earth, while in human form, you will be judged by man for DENING him of his God given RIGHTS. Our Constitution is another written text to protect us from evil. A text which was founded under God, executed by man, and what runs our Great Country. The way you talk of our RIGHTS is very, very unenergetic, tread softly. Many God fearing men have faught, died and will continue to fight and die to ensure those rights are never infrindged upon. To set you straight, no other worldly governing document has closer ties to being Biblical or Christ-like, since the men that wrote it were using religion to guide them in writing it to seek a better life for all men, past, present and future. The Constitution is riddled with Biblical principles and explicitly references religion. Remember that this new world was founded for two driving reasons – money and RELIGIOUS FEEDOM. Both lacking from LC in 2013. This is what a great historical education from the old LC teaches you. I can only imagine how lacking the history majors are now under Joe’s leadership. God, Country, Family need to be the priorities of LC. Clearly they are not.

          • Chris

            Wow–the problems are more profound than I thought. Jet, this is an LBC issue. LC is owned, operated, and governed by the LBC. Believe me my friend, if LC was independent and autonomous, I wouldn’t care what happened. But because it is an LBC institution and I’m a Louisiana Baptist, I must care.

            Further, I’m not denying the greatness of our Constitution. I’m pointing to principles from Scripture that teach when believers have differences, they are to handle their differences in the church, before brothers and sisters in the Lord, not in worldly forums. When we demonstrate disunity in the Body of Christ publicly, we ruin our image and tarnish our witness. No one in this forum has done anything to challenge the truth of those biblical principles. Of course you have a right to air your difference with another believer publicly, but that is not what the Bible teaches we should do.

            I weep at the lack of biblical literacy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/julie.corum.3 Julie Corum

    I’m not a fan of the press, but it makes me wonder what they are trying to hide.

  • David

    Banning sites such as this is inexcusable in a place of higher education in my view. You’d think a university of all places would welcome free thought and respectful expression of opinions. I attended briefly and decided to enroll elsewhere after its current administrative state became apparent. I truly hope students that made a different decision will not have their educational reputation unfairly tarnished by the people in power.

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      David,

      I and many others agree. Let us pray and hope that the Board will heed the words of former Aguillard endorser and trustee Shawn Thomas and “right the ship” of the presidency at L.C.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

    It appears to me that you enjoy all of this a little too much, Mr. Breland!!! You started walking toward the news vehicle…..I can imagine your disappointment when you discovered they were there to cover a sports event. Whatever the outcome of last nights meeting, there will be no victor. God has not been glorified through any of this. You may have a legitimate reason for concern, I don’t know at this point, but your methods seem to be self serving. What reason did you have to speak with a reporter last night? The opponents complaints of this administration have been well documented. There was an article in yesterday’s paper covering your father-in-laws facebook comments. It also reported that LC’s Board of Trustees were meeting last night. They were still in session at the time you spotted this reporter. There was nothing new to report at that time. Could it be you just like the sound of your own voice? Were you seeking attention for yourself? Your numerous reports of being silenced are duly noted. You play the role of victim well, Mr. Breeland, I’ll give you that. Proverbs 3:7 tells us not to be wise is our own eyes. It would serve you well, young man, to remember those words as you so publicly represent God. I feel sure you have a wealth of knowledge but where is your heart???

    • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

      Jan,

      I do not enjoy the destruction of Louisiana College. I do not enjoy that all. Take care.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

        I did not say destruction. My words were, “all of this”. I was referring to the media circus, all the hoopla. You obviously believe Louisiana College is being destroyed. If that is the case, can you honestly say you played no role in dismantling it? Your writings aren’t just to inform the public. Your tone is arrogant, vengeful and angry. Would you have me believe that all this falls squarely on the shoulders of Dr. Aguillard? He is not a lone ship steering this institution. If you’re going to report, then investigate. You may not enjoy the, “destruction of Louisiana College”, but it would take more than your word to convince me that you wouldn’t enjoy the downfall of, your christian brother, Joe Aguillard. Young man, as the Lord adds years to your life I hope you’ll allow His wisdom to seep in. In my opinion, the only thing less attractive than a young Pharisee is an old one!!! I suppose I am the pot calling the kettle black, as I’m sure what I write sounds angry to you.

        • http://www.thedailybleat.com/ Joshua Breland

          Jan,

          We disagree on this. Thanks for stopping by.

        • SBC Historian

          Jan, these issues do fall squarely on the shoulders of Joe Aguillard. To believe otherwise is to be ignorant of his style of leadership. He is the one who covered up sexual scandals while continuing to pay the salary of at least one employee. He was president while faculty were permitted to teach without appropriate credentials. He is the one who relieved three credentialed faculty members of their teaching posts, which means money that could have gone towards the (partial) refurbishment of campus facilities (another SACS requirement LC failed) will now be spent in faculty searches. He is the president who instituted a gag order be placed on all employees. He has turned himself into a Montanist, believing himself to be the oracle of truth. I can’t speak for Joshua. I’ve never met him nor spoken with him. I would not classify my desires towards Joe as ‘for his downfall’ but you can bet your last dollar I’ll enjoy, if it occurs, the very minute, the trustees remove him from his position as president of Louisiana College. Pray tell, please, which of these statements I have made DOES NOT fall directly on his shoulders?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

            SBC Historian, It would be ignorant of me to assume you an oracle of truth! When you’re released from the witness protection program and can identify yourself, write back. At this point you have no credibility with me and your accusations are mute!!!

          • sbchistorian

            Jan,

            I typed a long reply but it was lost when I accidentally
            closed the tab. The point of my now lost response was that you don’t
            have to know who I am in order for my statements to be true. We have no
            idea who wrote Hebrews, but that doesn’t make it an invalid portion of
            the canon. Truth is truth regardless of who delivers it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

            Well I’m sorry you wasted your time writing to me. Please don’t insult my intelligence. I am not a self subscribed SBC Historian but I do have some common sense, which you seem to lack if you believe I would accept your word with that argument. I believe the whole Bible to be the inerrant word of God. You are a faceless….nameless stranger who is obviously biased. Don’t assume that I don’t do my homework. I am more than capable of gathering facts and coming to my own conclusion.

          • sbchistorian

            Jan,

            It’s not wasted time writing to you. I simply stated my longer post was lost and so i only reproduced an abbreviated reproduction of my thought(s) on the matter. And while I am unsure at what point I (unintentionally) insulted you, you certainly had no problem taking the liberty of doing it to me by claiming I have no common sense. But i have no intention of replying in like kind. My statements and knowledge on this matter are not deterred by your uncharitable spirit towards me. I’m happy to hear you think all of the bible is true. And by affirming that point, you have proved my point. Even though you don’t know who wrote Hebrews, you still believe it. So being a ‘faceless….nameless stranger’ does not keep one from being truthful. Glad we agree on that.

            As to your claim of bias, I admit guilt. But hopefully you agree to the same charge as well. We are all biased in some form. The more important issue is not whether one is biased, but whether one can compensate for his/her bias(es) and still be truthful. In this case, I believe i can. Since I have no ties (official or unofficial) to Louisiana College, i can take an objective approach that others might not be able to do.

            Please don’t accuse me of assuming. You do not know me and you do not know my abilities to think critically and process information. I never claimed you had not done your homework, were incapable of gathering facts, or reaching your own conclusions. To make the assertion that I believe or think such is untrue. I simply disagree with your rhetorical question to Joshua that all of these problems don’t “fall on Joe’s shoulders,” that he’s not “a lone ship steering this institution.” If you were privy or the recipient of his fear tactics, then you would know he is directly and exclusively the cause of these problems. I have heard people say of good ol’ Joe, he believes “if you don’t agree with him, you’re his enemy.”That’s not being a leader. That’s being a dictator.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

            I’m sorry you found me rude, I apologize. If your convictions are so strong that you would call Joe Aguillard a dictator and you have no ties to Louisiana College…….Why not use your name? I have no history with Louisiana College. My daughter began school there in the fall and her experience has been positive. I don’t know Joe Aguillard personally but his reputation with people I know and respect is stellar. He is the President of a private Baptist College. The decisions he makes aren’t going to please everyone. In my search for answers I have read so many different accusations and opinions. You speak of fear tactics, are they the same ones imposed on the three young men now being investigated? It seems many are crying, An injustice has occurred. Students are asking, “How can this happen?”. I want to scream, DID ANYBODY READ THE HANDBOOK??? Disparage, it’s meaning cannot be misconstrued…..to discredit, to belittle. Now, read these men’s writings and defend them of what they are being accused. Some may cry fear tactics, I would call it justice. They blatantly broke a school rule that was imposed for a reason. Some think their constitutional right to free speech is being violated. Well whether they realized it or not they forfeited the right to slam Louisiana College when they signed on as an employee or student. I’ve read the call of former students, “Restore our beloved LC to what it use to be”. Well……Good Luck With That!! What the administration of today has to deal with is not that of yesteryear. Strict rules to adhere to are in place for a reason. Joe Aguillard has been mocked for claiming that he is fighting spiritual warfare. How else would a christian define the current state of affairs at LC. What a silly question, I’ve read enough in the last few weeks to know that answer……It’s Joe Auguillards fault!!! Maybe all his critics should gather stones, meet at the campus and ambush him. There’s only one rule and Jesus set it, the first stone has to be thrown by one with no sin!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jet.carriker Jet Carriker

            Jan, when did you graduate from LC? Arent you and Joe from the same town?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

            Jet, I never attended Louisiana College. My daughter is currently a freshman at LC. I’m not positive but I don’t believe Dr. Aguillard is from this area. He served as Superintendent of schools in Beauregard Parish, where I live, before he was employed by Louisiana College. I don’t know him personally but have friends who attended McNeese with him as well as worked for him.

          • sbchistorian

            Jan,
            Permit me to say a few things in honest sincerity:

            #1. I’m really glad your daughter is having a great experience. College should be a lot of things, and fun is one of them. I hope she is not soiled by what has been transpiring at LC.
            #2. I agree that the Handbook discusses (very vaguely) the consequences for certain actions. The 1st amendment does protect citizens from government attack over free speech, but that doesn’t mean there can’t be private consequences. I happen to believe, however, that what these young men have done (at least thus far) does not rise to the level of disparaging the college. I think they were pointing out how devastating the actions of the president will be with respect to SACS and student morale.

            #3. I have very specific reasons for staying anonymous. I have admitted I have no ties to LC, but that doesn’t mean there are no consequences for speaking out. Ask those who have done so and they will confirm.
            #4. I think you genuinely have the best interest of LC at heart. I also believe if you were privy to the methods and actions of Joe Aguillard, you would affirm he has not treated his employees or students with Christian love. He is lording over them his authority, which is precisely what Jesus said not to do (Matt 20.25-26). He is vindictive and mean. He is not right for LC.
            #5. Please remember in the story you referenced from John 8, a) no legitimate Bible scholar believes that was in the original texts, and b) Jesus was defending a defenseless woman. In this scenario, Joe Aguillard is anything but a defenseless person. He is a religious leader. And Jesus was the harshest with them, for they knew the right thing and still did not do it. In fact, Jesus called them whitewashed tombs. I think that is a pretty apt description of Joe Aguillard (Matt 23.27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness.”)

        • http://www.facebook.com/jet.carriker Jet Carriker

          Easy Jan. If you would have made these comments years ago before he, Joe, put his own people in underneath him, then this hoopla would not have been squarely on his shoulders. Remember that the truth hurts, so I bet the words about Joe are stinging to some. Proverbs 101:7 “No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes”. I have heard way too many things about Joe and have seen way too many facts about the academic track record after he took over. On the academic facts alone he should not be in the position of president, no matter how great of a guy you think he is or is not. People in the real world get fired for way less offenses that what he has done. I am a proud LC Alum of 2003, when did you graduate from LC? I would love to send my boy there one day if he choses, but not with Joe pirating this leaky ship on the dangerous waters of the SACS. Shiver me Wildcat timbers.

    • Pope Innocent III

      Jan, I can only wonder if you made the same comments to Dr. Aguillard and others in their press releases?

      • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

        I would satisfy your curiosity if I took you seriously. After reading your former comments that would be hard to do. I can only wonder what age you are. Surely an adult wouldn’t act so silly about such a serious matter.

        • Pope Innocent III

          Jan your age, though seemingly up there, has somehow become a catalyst for delusion. You seem to think that age/anonymity allows for no response. Unfortunately, you’ve fallen(reads jumped) into quite a number of logical fallacies. I would list them for you, but I ddon’t think you would accept them since you don’t know who wrote them all.

          Concerning your poorly thought out ge etic fallacy notion… So what is sbc historian has every bias in the world. Let’s grant that sbc historian is Adolf Hitler incarnate. If he said that 1+1=2 would it be falsified because he’s Adolf? No. That’s stupid. Just because sbc historian has bias’ one way or the other, doesn’t mean his claims can automatically be rejected per his bias/morality/ethic, etc.
          L2P

          • http://www.facebook.com/jan.b.oneal Jan Barrett O’Neal

            Whether I agree with SBC Historian or not, I do believe he or she is truly concerned. I just don’t understand the anonymity. You, on the other hand, should consider staying undercover. I’ll give you kudos on your attempt at sounding intelligent. Unfortunately, your immaturity wasn’t masked by your effort…..good try though!!!

          • Pope Innocent III

            Pot meets kettle.

    • Philip

      “What reason did you have to speak with a reporter last night? ” FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

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  • Jm Torrey

    Continuing the pray for LC today.

    Perhaps we should all cease from needless posting of comments on a blog (let the insignificance of that sink in people) and offer appeals before the Sovereign I AM? We can debate correct church discipline tomorrow or next week.

  • Jm Torrey

    Many prayers being extended to LCB today.

    Perhaps we should fast from blog comments that participate in arguments and focus our prayers on humility for ourselves and for the Trustees,

  • http://hereiblog.com/ Mark

    For Chris, On Public Rebuke

    • Chris

      Once again, that’s “public” rebuke within the Body, not public rebuke that subjects the lost and dying world to our dirty laundry

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